She’s served in the White House press pool for four presidencies, but it wasn’t until President Donald Trump took office that American Urban Radio Networks Washington bureau chief April Ryan became the subject of the news.

From Trump telling her to set up a meeting with the Congressional Black Caucus as if she’s an intern who knows all the Black people to White House press secretary Sean Spicer telling her to stop shaking her head while she listened to him talk, her interactions with the Trump Administration have been illustrative of its relationship with Black women.

Ryan appeared on yesterday’s (May 25) installment of “The Late Show With Stephen Colbert” to talk about her experiences. In the video above, she and host Colbert talk about how this Administration is doing so far, why she actually feels bad for Spicer and how she thinks the press should operate in a time when the president uses his Twitter account to say that the media is “the enemy of the American people.”

“We’re not warring on them, we are trying to seek the truth,” she says when Colbert asks how the media is responding to Trump’s attacks. “There’s so much on the table, the stakes are so high. What does it look like for the press to be fighting with the president of the United States? The American public loses out.”

Watch the full interview above.